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Chuck said:
@ SuperMotoBoy

The manual states maximum loading 177Kg (390lb) inc rider, passenger, cargo & accessories, this made me think twice about pillioning.
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Yeah, not great, but it handled it surprisingly well, tbh! :-)

Twozup said:
Seems a bit full on MTB? I'd be wary of that much preload but if it work the suspension must really be on the cheap side and not The Dark Side (that slogan makes me cringe!!)
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As mentioned, it is for two-up with overload, so wanted to be sure, it wasn't like a bouncy castle.... now on the bike alone, the rear will go one back down to 6th position, and we'll see what the front goes down with.
 
SuperMotoBoy said:
Yeah, not great, but it handled it surprisingly well, tbh! :-)



As mentioned, it is for two-up with overload, so wanted to be sure, it wasn't like a bouncy castle.... now on the bike alone, the rear will go one back down to 6th position, and we'll see what the front goes down with.
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6th on the rear for solo works for me. Front and rear damping left untouched. Forks wound down so you can just see the fourth ring. 13 stone fully knitted up. Can't believe how much it changed the ride, dealers ought to do this sort of thing when you collect a bike. It might stop people slagging off demo bikes.

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I imagine that would be beyond what a dealer would want to offer as its so subjective and individual to each rider? Be bloody good though!

I know from previous bikes it takes a while to properly dial in to suit the overall compromise for my own preferences -it takes hours if not days (over a period of time) trying different combinations and putting back again until it feels right but then again due to the lack of adjustment hopefully I'll get there quickly!!

If I had the cash I'd go visit one if the gurus and have them set it up for me based on what I'm telling them!


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I just rely on my incredible raw talent, zen like road reading ability , my highly tuned instict of what the bike is doing , my superb mechanical expertise to set the bike up JUST SO , and of course my sheer humbleness and modesty in the face of all my greatness. This generally ensures im allways first down shop for a packet of fags. :o
 
Birdy said:
I just rely on my incredible raw talent, zen like road reading ability , my highly tuned instict of what the bike is doing , my superb mechanical expertise to set the bike up JUST SO , and of course my sheer humbleness and modesty in the face of all my greatness. This generally ensures im allways first down shop for a packet of fags. :o
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I knew there was gonna be a punchline comin and I was rite lol
 
Birdy said:
Smoking ... Motorcycles .. its all danger .. whats the point in tip toeing through life , just to arrive safely at death ! This may be the first in a series of self help messages on this forum ;)
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Ride fast, Die young..! That's me out then...oh, and Birdy lol
 
We recently ran a suspension clinic and used a stock MT 09 as one of the examples. It was brand new off the floor with std kit.

The first thing we noted was that the top of the tank where you should tuck your knee in to grip the bike in corners is far too high even for a 6'4" rider. This bike will need non slip tank pads. After that we set up the ride position for a few people and although this might differ for you, it seemed that every rider needed new adjustable levers as the stock levers just don't fit most hands/ride positions. The bars too needed risers and a different pull back for most riders. These are all very personal changes and I can't tell you how to set yours up without seeing you on it.

On to suspension:
Firstly, there was absolutely no static sag at the rear! We wound the shock preload back until we had about 15mm of static sag at the back and roughly the same at the front. We then adjusted the rebound damping for a nice speed front and rear (same speed) and checked this by pushing on the seat where the rider would sit. The bikes balance seemed much better. Then we sat a 95kg rider on the bike and re-measured the sag; terrible! For a rider of this weight the stock spring is just not heavy enough and needs to be changed ASAP. Left as it is, you'll run wide on corners and wheely far too easily. Damping at the rear was within the valving capability of the shock but the screw needed all but 1/2 turn away from max to set it about right. In the end, we could not set the bike up correctly for most riders as we just didn't have the spring. However, if you get that spring you WILL be able to set it up reasonably well with even damping front and rear and around 25-30mm loaded sag.
It's not as bad as the magazines have made out; they've just been too lazy to set it up well (pre-loads, damping and rear spring). Don't spend money on new suspension until you've set up the stock kit (with new rear spring if you're more than 80kg).
 
Wow what an in depth reply and much appreciated. How would I know what spring to buy? I'm 100kg


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Idle Idol Idyll said:
We recently ran a suspension clinic and used a stock MT 09 as one of the examples. It was brand new off the floor with std kit.


On to suspension:
Firstly, there was absolutely no static sag at the rear! We wound the shock preload back until we had about 15mm of static sag at the back and roughly the same at the front. We then adjusted the rebound damping for a nice speed front and rear (same speed) and checked this by pushing on the seat where the rider would sit. The bikes balance seemed much better. Then we sat a 95kg rider on the bike and re-measured the sag; terrible! For a rider of this weight the stock spring is just not heavy enough and needs to be changed ASAP. Left as it is, you'll run wide on corners and wheely far too easily. Damping at the rear was within the valving capability of the shock but the screw needed all but 1/2 turn away from max to set it about right. In the end, we could not set the bike up correctly for most riders as we just didn't have the spring. However, if you get that spring you WILL be able to set it up reasonably well with even damping front and rear and around 25-30mm loaded sag.
It's not as bad as the magazines have made out; they've just been too lazy to set it up well (pre-loads, damping and rear spring). Don't spend money on new suspension until you've set up the stock kit (with new rear spring if you're more than 80kg).
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I'd agree wholeheartedly with this. I had my suspension set up & the rear is fine for my weight ~80kgs. The factory rear preload was set on 3, it now lives on 5 for solo riding, 6 for when my partner is on the bike ~50kgs. The rear damping is set at 1/2 a turn out as the bike was ''topping out" with the way it was delivered.

The front, as everyone knows is soft, though the rebound was adjusted to 1/4 turn out from full hard as opposed to 1 & 3/4 as delivered. We also wound the preload out 3 full turns, though after some test riding, this will more than likely be wound back in a turn or two.

This setup, whilst still far from perfect, is a LOT better than how the bike was delivered & a great starting point with limited suspension
 
graeme.doolan:

we have yet to remove the spring and measure it but we think it's about 400lbs. If so, you'll probably need a 450lb spring, maybe a little more.
However, whatever the std spring is, you'll need one 10-15% heavier.
 
Thats what I notice the most. To get the rear to work alright (not great) I had to give too much preload with no free sag. All fix now. 13mm free sag, 38mm rider sag and I have 10mm still left in stroke with the 9.1kg/mm spring. Thats at same static ride height as stock. Bang for the $ the ZX-10 setup is hard to beat. Event buying a spring alone is more expensive... without the sake result.

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